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144 opinions for Casey Anthony Update

• Michelle
  Sep 12, 2008 at 5:14 pm

  The charges are related to other things - writing bad checks, theft, ect. I wonder when they will actually figure out what happened. This could go on forever, couldn’t it?

• sue rangiwhetu
  Sep 18, 2008 at 2:03 am

  i live in new zealand and was recently on holiday in the US. I would love updates on this case as it is a tragedy many thanks as i have no way of knowing of the outcome. sue

• Sues
  Sep 27, 2008 at 12:24 pm

  That girl wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped her in the face ! She only cares about #1 her. All this press coverage is sadly just building & throwing more attention on her & she is eating it right up too :(

• Vicky
  Sep 27, 2008 at 4:59 pm

  This woman is wooried about herself no one else, if there truly was a babysitter the cops could find her cell number on Casey’s phone bills. The babysitter and everything else that has come out of Casey’s mouth is a lie.

• Kim
  Sep 28, 2008 at 7:46 pm

  This woman is evil. You can hear it in the taped phone messages when she was in jail. She only wanted her boyfriends phone number. What a sicko. I think she accidently killed the little one, keeping her quiet with the chloroform so she could party. When she realized what she did she put poor Caylee in the swamp for the alligators so no one would find the body. If so, the authorities should do the same to her, first let her bake in a car like she probably did to Caylee, and then feed her to the alligators!

• Dawn
  Sep 30, 2008 at 1:28 pm

  I just want to know why she hasn’t been charged yet? WTH???? I have been following this from day one and it’s just the most absurd story I’ve ever heard of. They have all the proof they need. How many other people have been put up in front of a jury because they didn’t have enough evidence and they’re sitting in jail for life? Put this girl up there - make her break for once and for all. This is truly SICK. My heart breaks for what happened to that poor baby - Casey will pay her price someday - even if the law doesn’t make her - GOD will~~!!

• Kim
  Sep 30, 2008 at 1:44 pm

  I agree with Dawn, charge her and put her in jail. They have convicted people with less evidence. I wonder if they charge her and she knows she is going away for life or put to death if she will make a deal and tell them where she put Caylee? I am in Iowa, does Florida have the death penalty?

• Dawn
  Sep 30, 2008 at 1:54 pm

  Thanks Kim. I don’t know if they have the death penalty in Florida - I’m in CT. But I can tell you this - she’d suffer more in prison than the death penalty. Those women will chew her up and spit her out. She doesn’t deserve to die comfortably. It just kills me that they have true positive DNA that Caylee’s body was in her trunk - decomposed and they haven’t charged her with murder. I seriously don’t get it.

• brenda
  Oct 1, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  I live in Greenville SC. We had a 7 year old child murdered by his mother. It took 3 months before she was charged. Not because of the evidence,but because of the lack of any. They have enough evidence to get casey but they want to make sure all ducks are in a row

• Dawn
  Oct 2, 2008 at 6:59 am

  Well, it’s about time. I heard on the news this morning that Casey is no longer a “person of interest” but now a “suspect”. Maybe Brenda’s right, they just want to make sure that everything is in place before they make the final arrest for murder. After all, wouldn’t it suck if she got off on a “hung jury” or something like that. I can’t wait until all this comes out so we can all rest knowing that Casey will finally pay for this disgusting, low-life act.

• Ramona Solomon
  Oct 2, 2008 at 2:23 pm

  Could it be possible that she fed the body of the little girl to an alligator? Sounds gross, but she acts so strange, I cannot imagine not notifying the police when the little girl first went missing.

• Kim
  Oct 2, 2008 at 4:19 pm

  Brenda, how did the case in your area turn out? I was wondering what the mother was charged with and if they had enough evidence to convict? It is just awful that there are mothers that will kill their children. Like Andrea Yates in Texas someone should have seen that something was wrong. Casey’s parents should have been more aware of her state of mind not just worried about the money, car and gas cans missing. My parents cannot go a day without seeing or talking to their grandchild, sure wouldn’t take a month for one of them to notice I am “childless”.

• WNEDY
  Oct 3, 2008 at 11:02 am

  i think they should arrest the mother father
  brother lee and casey and make them tell what
  they did. the father knew something was in the trunk, the mother washed clothes, obviously knew something was not right, lee knows something, why this poor baby was left with no
  family support is dispictable. arrest them all
  the mother being a nurse obviously got the cloroform so they could have a cheap babysitter.

  all quilty may god punish them
  and please bless the baby girl.
  \

• Jen
  Oct 4, 2008 at 5:17 am

  “does Florida have the death penalty?”

  We do have the DP in FL. We excuted Ted Bundy and Aileen Warnous. It takes awhile (years of appeals) but it gets done…

• Kim
  Oct 4, 2008 at 10:04 am

  Thanks Jen, I had forgotten about Bundy and should have remembered Warnous as I watched the movie Monster. As I stated before, maybe if prosecutors put the death penalty on the table Casey may say what happened in exchange for life in prison. Both are too good for her, I say let her die the same way poor Caylee did. Whatever that little baby had to suffer through is how Casey should die. Plus I think she should be thrown to the alligators alive. I know it is cruel but no one protected that baby, no one needs to protect the mother. The family also needs some kind of prosectution. Of all people the dad should have suspected something was wrong, isn’t he a cop? I think everything Casey has done she has done with the assistance of her family, who better to get ideas to avoid prosecution from than a cop? I just want to cry everytime I see that angels face, I could not imagine hurting a child.

• Ken
  Oct 4, 2008 at 5:54 pm

  As a retired CSI, I am convinced that the investigators do have enough evidence to prosecute Casey and likely will file when ready. What people dont understand is that it routinely takes about a year to prepare homicide cases for court. This case could take longer with 84 witnesses to subpoena, over 600 pages of interviews, hours of taped interviews, forensic evidence data and reports, all of which need to be put in order and lined up for court presentation. If they file charges now, they have to have all thier ducks in a row within 60 to 90 days because Casey’s attorney will surely demand a speedy trial. 60 days is not enough to ready such a case for court, even if all the evidence is in. The time will come and the case will be lock tight because they are taking their time in filing criminal charges. Casey will go down and likely finally plead guilty to some lesser charge if possible, once she is faced with the evidence. Yes, DP would help encourage her to plead. See you at the trial. Be patient. Her time will come.

• Kim
  Oct 5, 2008 at 12:14 am

  Ken,

  If Caylee is buried under the cement slab in the back yard would the dogs have been able to pick that up? Also, there seems to be more to the gas can involvement than just filling her car with stolen gas, if she burned her would the dogs pick that up as well? And, if she did put her with the alligators would it be possible to determine that? Like test the water or something? My dad says no but I bet with the advances in technology they could determine something.

  My uncle is an FBI agent in West Virginia and when I asked him his opinion he said the entire family is hiding information. That the public will be shocked when everything comes out.

  Do you think the parents will be charged with anything? I think they have tried to cover for Casey after realizing she did kill Caylee.

• Ken
  Oct 5, 2008 at 1:32 am

  Kim,
  If Caylee was buried under the slab, I’m sure the dogs would have scented the body. I believe the dogs had “false positives” in the backyard because immediately after Caylee’s death, Casey either hid Caylee in the backyard playhouse til dark or had her clothing or the shovel she used back there before removing everything to another location. If Caylee was already in a plastic bag, there would be only faint scent for the dogs to pick up on, from indirect contact with wherever she was hidden briefly.
  I agree with the gas can involvement but there’s multiple scenarios for their use. Most obvious seems to be to burn Caylee’s body, but another would be to be able to drive two gas cans worth of mileage, to dump the body out of town, without having to stop at gas stations where you might be identified by patrons or video cameras while making purchases of extra gas. A couple of five gallon cans equal ten gallons or enough to travel up to an extra few hundred miles round trip without stopping at public places. That, to me, would mean if she did use it for that purpose that she must have dumped the body within 100-150 miles. Most likely she used the gas or planned to use the gas to burn the body but remember also that a ten gallon blaze would attract attention from the high flames and black smoke from the petroleum product. I think it it was her, coming out of the woods near the airport, as described by one witness, that Casey was looking for somewhere to dump or burn Caylee’s body.
  I too was thinking all along that Casey might have dumped Caylee in some alligator pond. If so, we are likely out of luck after this much time since the only thing left would be bits of clothing fragments or some undigested small bone fragments in the bottom of the muddy, silt layered pond. I doubt testing the water would work but again dogs searching around such known ponds or bodies of water might at least scene some decomposition if any parts remained. Time is a major factor for such searches and it seems it is long past time for such a search if alligators are involved.
  Most likely she shoved the poor little body in a plastic bag and then dumped it in a dumpster after keeping it in the trunk for days while trying to think what to do with it. Who would notice such a small bag in a big pile of trash? Such a tiny body would decompose quickly in a landfill and it would be a miracle if it was ever found there though dogs might be able to help since GPS tracking can identify the general area where at least one possible dumpster was dumped the landfill. The problem is which dumpster did she really put the body in?
  Her enabling parents will likely not be charged though they have obviously interfered with the investigation in many ways including cleaning Casey’s clothes that smelled like a dead body. Casey’s father, a retired policeman, obviously knew what that smell was and though they mentioned it when first upset by Caylee’s disappearance, have steadfastly protected Casey since in every manner they could. I agree they know and have decided that, while they lost their grand daughter, they don’t want to lose their daughter at any cost. I don’t respect the Anthony’s, no matter what their loss since it seems more and more obvious, they enabled Casey to become the monster she is by giving her everything she ever wanted and by listening to and perhaps believing her lies for so many years. It started before Caylee. Remember Casey dropped out of school and never graduated. She was already controlling her parents back then. Yes I believe the entire family is hiding information and protecting Casey now and to me that makes them accessories. To many it just makes them concerned parents. If it were our kids involved, most of us would be pressuring them from the start to come clean and would be letting them sit in jail until either charged or the truth came out. The Anthony family is not normal and Casey is just a product of that dysfunction. I also believe that if Casey gets off or is convicted but only serves a few years, she will get pregnant again to offer up a replacement for her parents and then be forgiven since they will have a new grandchild to dote over. Casey is a Sociopath who will always be in trouble, always look out for herself and when all is said and done, likely never admit to anything and is just waiting for this all to go away so she can go party again.

• Eliza
  Oct 5, 2008 at 7:40 am

  @Ramona- not strange at all, I’ve thought this for a long time. She doesn’t believe she’ll be found guilty as she knows there is no body.

  @Kim- Yes, Florida has executed a total of 60 people since 1976. (that’s a quote from a website). Yes, Mr.Anthony was a cop or retired cop.

  My thoughts, I agree with Ken as to how it went down. Some thoughts also that she may have thought of burning the remains but just couldn’t. Took her out of the spot she was hidden/buried, took the gas can and just drove. Suddenly it occured to her to drop Caylee off in one of those ponds as no one would find her due to the alligators. Very sad. As for the grandparents, I don’t think they knew at first. I do think she told them someone kidnapped her daughter and they might’ve believed her at first. But maybe something dawned on the father and he began realizing, mom wouldn’t have wanted to believe something so horrid. She could’ve even told them they would never find out where she dropped her off if they ratted her out. Wanting to eventually find their precious granddaughter’s remains they’ve kept quiet. Or just can’t believe it. It’s a horrible story, regardless. But I really think if she were innocent she would’ve looked tooth and nail for that little girl. Any mom that loved their child would.

• Kim
  Oct 5, 2008 at 12:40 pm

  Ken, I agree with what you are saying plus I think she left her in the car under the influence of the chloroform so she could party. Then “forgot” her. In the Florida heat it wouldn’t take too long. I hope they arrest her soon, but like you said I do hope they have everything ready so she cannot get a light sentence. I cannot imagine what went through her mind when she found her, well for her she probably didn’t feel all that bad. But then again, when you see the pictures of her and Caylee you can see she loves her, or did at one time. I think she should have called the EMT’s right then, wouldn’t it have been an accident? (well without the chloroform) Have you read through some of the IM’s between her and the first Tony (Italian something was his screen name) he was a cop I think, in those you can see what she is trying to do. Caylee must have been alive at that time though because she wouldn’t come to see him because she says she has no sitter, even though she is waiting for Zannie to get home. ??

• Kim
  Oct 5, 2008 at 12:55 pm

  One more thing, if it happened the way Ken is saying, she would have had to drive around with the body and keep moving it. Right there shows she is wacked, she should have went right to a hospital, morgue, police station. Eliza, This is just an impossible situation, being the grandparents. I have a daughter in college who is Casey’s age, (she doesn’t have any children) I don’t know if I could be that loyal to her. I know I couldn’t. But then again I don’t think most of us good mothers would have let things go that far, we would have seen the signs and done something about it, like Cindy said at one point she was going to take Caylee away from Casey, oh the guilt she must feel now for not doing that. I think the dad, George, was trying to keep the peace by laying low and going along with whatever Cindy and Casey did or thought. I have no idea about Lee, he seems strange too, but maybe he had to be in Casey’s shadow his whole life. Like someone said before, Casey had control of that family from the beginning. The worst is the picture/video of the great grandfather and Caylee. How sad. Something is just wrong in that family.

• Eliza
  Oct 5, 2008 at 1:44 pm

  @Kim- I agree totally on the grandparents, but someone stated they really bent over backwards for her. I know some that are like that, not myself, no way…not when it comes to kids. This story is just sick and I really wish there was a better outcome then what we all can see right now, but it doesn’t look it. Another thing and I’m actually about to post it…police are looking in two wooded areas. Maybe she’s finally talking…or someone is.

• Ken
  Oct 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm

  Yes, I think she used the chloroform to keep Caylee quiet while she partied or slept over, shopped or did drugs. Seems she may have also done some escort work based on her web searches of such services. I’m guessing she didn’t hesitate to commit prostitution if she could make some quick money and she liked her effect on men. Such activities would also call for Caylee to be put to sleep for periods while mom turned her tricks.

  As far as Loving little Caylee, remember Casey is a chameleon. She smiles to the camera and knew what to do in public. I believe she is more like Dexter. She learned to imitate such feelings rather than actually having normal feelings about such things as love and motherly nurturing. Bottom line, she always wanted what she wanted and generally got it once way or another and Caylee represented more and more restriction upon her. Caylee was a tool to manipulate her parents into living there, cash when she needed it etc. that’s all. I’ve seen it again and again though the years. Sociopaths have little or no feeling or guilt.

  She couldn’t call EMTs because of the Chloroform. She was probably gone for hours and returned to realize Caylee had been dead for quite some time or she actually planned it hoping to pass it off all along as a kidnapping. The computer searches about missing children months prior would lend credence to that also.

• Kim
  Oct 5, 2008 at 7:48 pm

  Did they ever say where the chloroform came from, at one point someone said they thought it came from Cindy because she is a nurse. I had not heard about the prostitution thing or the missing children searches on her computer. She must have been planning for something to happen to Caylee for a long time, no wonder she has so many stories. I wonder if the computer searches for missing children will prove she planned this from the beginning?

  I did see something today that was interesting, they are trying to find out if Caylee’s father was this Jesus Ortiz that died in the car accident. I looked at his myspace page, surprised it was still there, and I think there is a message from Casey and Caylee but it reads (Stephanie) on the profile along with her name. ? Or maybe it is not them but the news reporter claimed it was today in his report. You will have to see it. I just googled Jesus Ortiz and many results came up along with another good blog about him and Casey. I also didn’t hear about the two wooded areas unless that is around the airport, I hope they find her tonight so she can be put to rest. What a tragedy.

• Ken
  Oct 5, 2008 at 8:23 pm

  They only found searches for Chloroform on her laptop. Its possible she stole some from Moms work place if she ever visited her there. I could just be she got interested in it after one of her drug friends suggested it as a source of baby sitter for her. Where she got it can only be guessed but since it was found in the trunk, she did get it somewhere.

  Prostitution was my thought and has been all along once I saw the club photos. Shes very sexual, open to about anything physical with all manner of men and women and then the computer searches on her laptop for many escort services across the country and in her local area made me think she at least considered it as a source of quick cash.

  The missing children searches will be used by the prosecution to show pre planning since it goes with her kidnap story. It just could be we give her too much credit for accidental death. Remember she was really mad at her mother and jealous of her relationship with Caylee. The “maybe Im just a spiteful bitch” quote by Casey may just be very true and the final argument wit her mom set her over the edge and she killed Caylee to spite mom, who she perceived as loving Caylee more than her. She cant even admit to accidental death at this point because she would have to lead them to the body and whatever she did to Caylee’s body was likely horrible and unforgivable even if the death was accidental and she knows it. She will never confess. If she goes to trial and as the jury goes out it looks like she might be going down to conviction, she will likely try to plea bargain at the last minute. Without the body, prosecutors wont likely accept a plea.

  As far as I know police did search more wooded areas but last word was that all searches for even her body have been suspended meaning they are now just putting the case together and when ready will go ahead and file charges.

  I still look for Casey to try and run if it looks like arrest is imminent. Hair color and a snip of the GPS device, some help from her brother or some other man she has conned into helping her and she will run like heck for Mexico or at least try. Her face is so familiar now, it will be tough to get away and thats good.

• Carol Drake
  Oct 5, 2008 at 9:12 pm

  I think most of us believe that the argument on June 15th was the catalyst to whatever happened to Caylee………
  However this is my thought…………..

  I believe that Caylee was increasingly becoming a liability to Casey. She was no longer a “baby” and was able to verbally communicate
  on some level. She was gaining the ability to “inadvertantly” expose her mothers contruction of a life that didn’t exist. Granted, she was only
  2 1/2, but she also was the only one that “knew” Casey didn’t work, and Zanny didn’t exist.

  Example: When Casey returned home to Cindy’s (from her non-existent job) and said she picked up Caylee (from the non-existent baby-sitter -nanny’s)
  (What the hell did she and Caylee do all day) This is a charade that on a daily basis Casey had to star in, create and maintain, “at all costs”.
  Evidently so she wouldn’t have to get a job. Pretty elaborate to avoid working. But it seems extremely important to her to maintain the
  illusion, as she continues to do in spite of “the facts”.
  I am sure that many times Cindy must have asked Caylee, “what did you and Zanny do today?” Caylee could have said, “mommy and
  me went to park”. Casey would have said, “oh, sometimes she calls Zanny mommy”. How cute, everyone laughs. So I think that the
  continuing questioning of Caylee would have, if it didn’t already start to pose a problem for Casey ……… although Cindy wouldn’t get it
  if it stared her in the face. Maybe one day in the future Caylee would have said, “who’s Zanny?” Maybe she already did…………

  For What It’s Worth,
  Carol

• Ken
  Oct 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

  I agree with the theory also that Caylee was likely a bit too talkative and becoming more of a liability as stated Carol. Be all accounts she was very talkative and if left alone with Cindy would have given up all of moms lies in short order. The jig was about up, as you say and thus Casey started searching the missing kids sites and planning on how to deal with her “snot nosed “daughter. All of the theories hold water and are likely all close to the total story.

• Kim
  Oct 6, 2008 at 6:24 am

  At one point Casey tells one of her boyfriends (on a text message) “I will have to teach Caylee to say that so when we get together she can say it to you” so that being said, she evidently could speak and understand things well. Then there is the story of Caylee sleeping in the same bed with Casey and whomever she was having relations with that night. I wonder just how much the little one was exposed to, that is probably one of the biggest reasons for her to have to die. So she wouldn’t tell grandma and grandpa her mom was a freak. She is such a little angel, Cindy and George should have taken her away the day she was born. I am sure Casey didn’t just wake up in the last 6 mos. and become a bad mom.
  I also read about her being pregnant by one of the boyfriends just recently but having a miscarriage. She broke down in front of the guy at a party and cried hysterically about losing “their baby”. This was in July ‘08. Hmm, she didn’t shed a tear about losing Caylee. Hopefully she will be in prison for the rest of her life, or put to death soon, but just in case, sterilize her!

  Ken, I agree with you about her leaving. She is just waiting for the right moment, or the right person to con into helping her. Does Mexico extradite??

• Eliza
  Oct 6, 2008 at 6:36 am

  I’ve udated this conversation adding to it that the police are now focusing on two parts… http://www.babylune.com/cadaver-dogs-search-for-caylee-anthony/

• Dawn
  Oct 6, 2008 at 7:10 am

  Kim,

  I have been following this sick twisted story from the beginning as millions of other concerned Americans have. I have posted my comments on this site in the past but last night I was watching Nancy Grace and for the first time saw the video of Caylee with her great grandfather. I was horrified to see how vulnerable, scared and sad Caylee seemed to be. What 2 1/2 year old baby would just lie on her grandpa’s lap with her head buried in his chest almost afraid to look around? I have 3 grand children - all girls - and one of them is going to be 3 in February. She is totally full of life and unless she was sick (maybe not even then) would she be so listless and lifeless. I don’t know if you picked up on that - but my God - someone should have. That poor little baby - what she must have been going thru - sheer Hell - exactly what Casey needs to go thru when this all comes out - everyone is waiting~~!!

• Ken
  Oct 6, 2008 at 7:27 am

  By all accounts, little Caylee was a talker, knew her name and could memorize songs and her favorite stories. Yes she was old enough to blow mom’s lies at any time.

  Based on Casey’s lie record, the miscarriage was likely an abortion but if not her tears were likely just a ploy to gain attention from the boyfriend and others. Remember she really doesn’t have feelings and tears seem to come at will or as needed. I remember the images of her in court dabbing her eyes but I didn’t see tears and then she turns to the camera and family in the crowd and smiles. If she had tears it was likely because she was pissed at her predicament and loss of freedom, not any worries about her missing daughter. The Jail tapes constantly showed her nasty demeanor to family members, especially her mother who she talked to in rude and condescending terms.

  There are a lot of problems with long prison terms in this case. If they just go for Manslaughter, she gets 5 to 10 max, if convicted, based on national averages and that usually means about one third time actually served and in many cases suspended sentences with five years probation. Remember also, juries today often have some bleeding heart or naive holdouts that refuse to listen to evidence or cant make up their minds and could lead to mistrial on hung jury or even acquittal. Watch court TV trials and no matter how much evidence is presented for conviction, the viewers vote 80 percent guilty and 20 percent innocent. In truth, unless convicted on first or second degree murder vs. manslaughter, she faces little prison time. The Chloroform is the one link police have to serious criminal charges in Caylee’s death since even accidental overdose has no defense based on the dangerous and illegal nature of the drug. Disposing of a corpse is usually almost rated a misdemeanor in many places and up to ten years in some jurisdictions and I wouldn’t be surprised if such a charge got her the biggest sentence.

  I think the check charges being pushed now are a way to give her priors towards later sentencing in this case and to keep her behind bars for a bit while prosecution puts its case paperwork together. Likely her check charges would only net up to a year in jail but with no priors there either she could get probation under our liberal sentencing laws. Too bad Mom and grandparents haven’t followed through on the other thefts from mom’s credit cards and the grandparent’s retirement trusts. The latter would actually get her a bigger sentence than the current check charges involving only 750 dollars total and buy even more time for the prosecution to lay out their court case. If her attorney has laid out the maximum sentences likely for manslaughter etc, she will also likely just hold out even more knowing that, even if convicted, it will only mean a few years in prison and her being out by age 28 or so with plenty of time to con more men into feeling sorry for her. She has the personality to seduce even some poor prison guard into helping her or having sexual liaisons where she could end up suing the state over sexual harassment in prison and end up walking out with a huge settlement and book deal. Casey is the ultimate player and con artist and we will hear more of her though the years no matter what the outcome in this case. She will always be a manipulator in any situation and will spend the rest of her life in trouble or just become a community organizer, befriend Bill Ayers and end up with a cabinet post or college professorship.

  Mexico can extradite but only if the death penalty option is removed from any prosecution.

• Ken
  Oct 6, 2008 at 7:40 am

  I recall the video you describe Dawn and my thought was how sensitive little Caylee was to know Grandpa was in ill health. To me it meant she had the presence of mind to just hold poor old Grandpa and enjoy his presence even if all he could do was sit there. I hadnt thought about your viewpoint but it also makes sense. I also doubt Casey held her much and the warmth of grandpa probably felt pretty good for a little girl needing warmth and affection. Either way its a sat testimonial to her mothers lack of emotion. Little Caylee shows the ability to feel for others while mother can’t feel for others. I almost wish Caylee was kidnapped. Anyone else could care for Caylee better than her mom.

• Dawn
  Oct 6, 2008 at 7:51 am

  You’re right Ken - I didn’t think about that aspect of Caylee’s feelings. How sweet and lovable she was. And I agree, I wish she had been kidnapped too - maybe she could have had the life she deserved by someone who was desperate to love a child.

• Diane
  Oct 8, 2008 at 3:15 pm

  Will casey have to take the stand on her current charges or can she still refuse to testify? If that’s so, then i think it’s best they wait until after her current case has gone to trial.

• Ken
  Oct 8, 2008 at 5:53 pm

  Casey wonht have to testify and will likely plea bargain or plead guilty to the charges and hope for reduced sentence as first offender. too much evidence against her with video surveilance and her own signatures on checks. Ive handled simmilar check cases and my suspects got a year max and most were out in thirty days due to over crowded jails.

• Sues
  Oct 8, 2008 at 8:28 pm

  Is it my imagination, on some of those photos of Casey holding Caylee looks like ” MOMMY DEAREST ” is gritting her teeth instead of smiling ?

• Kim
  Oct 8, 2008 at 10:13 pm

  Dawn, The video of little Caylee on her g. grandpa’s lap breaks my heart. The way he looks at the camera and at Caylee looks almost like he knows something is wrong or something bad is happening to her.

  Ken, I read the search teams are coming back and Padilla is very confident Caylee will be found very soon, maybe this week. If they find her will they be able to tell how she died?

  If she died from the Chloroform could forensics tell if Casey had been drugging her for weeks? Even if she used Zanax, how long would those drugs remain in her body or would they?

  I also read that some people are comparing the Duckett case to this one and Casey wanted out to kill herself. Do you think they will let her go “search” and do you think she will try to kill herself? Would she try to move Caylee again?

  With your experience I am curious what you think is going to happen.

  Hopefully she will get life with no parole, her new roomies in prison will probably execute her. Then again with our judicial system they will probably keep her secluded so she is safe, which we all know she doesn’t deserve, she didn’t keep Caylee safe.

  One more thing, where is the extended family? Besides the g. grandparents? Is this family so wacked out their own family doesn’t want to be involved with them?

• Kim
  Oct 8, 2008 at 10:56 pm

  I found this information on websluthes.com:

  Watch Casey Motions Hearing Live on Friday 10-10-08, 10:30am

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  http://www.wftv.com/news/17659490/detail.html

  On this page, at WFTV, there is a link which is not active yet, in among the other red links.

  Please note: It is to watch the Casey motions hearing on Friday, 10-10-08, LIVE!

  It indicates 10:30AM.

• Ken
  Oct 8, 2008 at 11:17 pm

  Kim,

  Padilla has made all kinds of “guesses” as to where Caylee is and one of them is bound to be right eventually. At least he is flexible and goes with info as it is discovered. He actually is just thinking along the same lines as all of us and the police as the evidence is uncovered. I’m hoping by keeping the search alive, that Caylee’s remains will be found and then the case will really start.

  As far as chemicals in the body being discovered, there are so many factors. There would likely have to be tissues, perhaps hair and some organs left on the corpse to hope to get any trace elements. By this time however, the body is likely reduced to skeletal remains in the warm, humid, bug infested Florida climate. The body is still key though in many ways and one of the strongest supports to the chloroform samples found. You put the computer searches, for missing children, searches for Chloroform, along with Chloroform, human decomposition and DNA in Casey’s trunk next to the recovered body and you have a strong case of possible intentional and or negligent homicide with the alternative of Manslaughter. Couple the videos of her buying all that merchandise with stolen checks that didn’t include one baby item and you have a case DA’s everywhere would likely love to take to a jury.

  Would Casey kill herself? Not at this juncture. She might try to fake her death, leaving a note and clothes on the beach perhaps, but she values her freedom too much at this point. Perhaps seeing herself locked up for a long period, other than fewer than ten years and she sees her beauty slipping away, the fun years of her life being stolen and she might just commit suicide out of frustration and anger over her own loss of freedom, but never over guilt. I think she could do ten years standing on her head and walk out laughing at the world and proudly proclaim “leave me alone, I paid for my crime”. She’s a sociopath.

  Life in prison isn’t too likely based on evidence at hand. She could even walk that way most juries seem to have at least 2 nervous nellies or those who refuse to listen to or believe any evidence presented as to guilt. OJ got off didn’t he and that was one of the strongest evidence cases ever presented to a jury. Would prisoners kill her? that’s always hinted at based on criminals claim of hatred for those who harm children but it’s hard to say. Her nasty attitude might get her killed first though her ability to be a chameleon will also be a benefit. After all she’s a great liar and it might get her through her prison stay.

  I am actually pleased that her attorney seems so inexperienced. He has made several rookie errors in his demands of evidence, prior to charges being filed so its likely he in over his head. With all the publicity, you might find other high level attorneys flocking to offer services though since the publicity will be great for them and book rights etc could be worth a fortune worth working the case pro bono.

  Extended family is a good question. My own thoughts ran to the actual father and grandparents of Caylee. I still believe Casey and her parents have lied about Coyle’s biological father because Casey’s parents didn’t want to ever risk losing Caylee in a custody battle of either a father or paternal grandparents that might show up. It was easier to claim the father died, end of story. They’ve lied on so many fronts it seems very likely Caylee’s actual parentage is also a crafted lie.

  Nancy’s show hints a grand jury might be hearing the case by Tuesday so perhaps we are moving towards formal charges soon. A big sigh of relief will be heard across the country but if she gets off there will be a public outcry bigger than Simpsons and then her life might really be at risk. Lets see how it goes.

• Carol
  Oct 9, 2008 at 1:24 pm

  I am a confused regarding the timeline that Leonard Padilla mentioned last nite on NG, for June 27th. LP said: (this is directly from the transcript)
  “The car was actually spotted parked at the Amscot by Mrs. Sanchez (ph), the manager of the store there, on the morning of the 27. We believe and we are pretty sure we know that she came back out of Tony`s house around 10:00 o`clock that morning, drove the car off to her mom`s, called J.C. Penney, then went on further towards the airport, where — my associate, Rob Dick, has narrowed down an area by the airport where he believes the body will be found. And Tim from Equusearch is headed out there in the morning. And I`m telling you, I`m putting my money on Tim finding that body before Tuesday.”

  What am I missing? We know the car was at Amscot at 7am.(we don’t know exactly what time it was dropped off) I thought she called Tony to pick her up at Amscot somewhere around 11am to 1pm.How did she get back to Amscot from Tony’s at 10am. (Did Tony neglect to say he picked her up twice that day?) Then did she take the car back to Amscot and call Tony again? I am totally confused????
  Carol

• Kim
  Oct 9, 2008 at 6:17 pm

  Carol, I missed Nancy Grace the last couple of nights, but I did look back through the records on her site and you have a good point. Padilla must be confused to. However looking for that information I found this, I don’t remember ever seeing it but it would explain a lot. July 7 – Casey allegedly posts a message* on her MySpace blog. The message, titled “Diary of Days,” read:

  “On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
  Trust no one, only yourself.
  With great power, comes great consequence.
  What is given can be taken away.
  Everyone Lies.
  Everyone Dies.”

  Also, did you know she set up a myspace account with the name cayleeismissing, she did this TWO YEARS BEFORE Caylee went missing. Read here: (lots of info on this site that I had not read before actual copies of everything) http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony

• Kim
  Oct 9, 2008 at 6:52 pm

  MSN News just reported they are charging Casey with Murder!!!!!

  Also Channel 9 Orlando News reported Lee Anthony refused the DNA test AND refused to take a polygraph test. What is he hiding? Is he Caylee’s dad? OMG, that is awful to say. What is he hiding? From the article– Channel 9 Orlando News: George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey’s trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey’s brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.

  Very strange. Also on the same site they are saying that Casey borrowed the shovel to pick up Caylees little body and LE is sure the body had been in the playhouse and in the garage.

  I wonder if Cindy still thinks Caylee is in Mexico??

• Ken
  Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 am

  Lee knows the truth and likely has been covering up for Casey since she was first jailed and perhaps even before. I have suspected all along that Casey owns him and that perhaps he is just as controlling and manipulating of his parents as Casey and thus likely to help Casey with her cover up at all costs. This family is so dysfunctional and Casey is just the symptom of what has gone on in the family dynamics for many years. Lee is likely just smarter than Casey and has learned to be less overt with his actions. I find it interesting that there is absolutely nothing available on Lee’s background, either good or bad. We know nothing about him, whether he is prone to lying also, what skeletons he might have in his own closet etc. Based on Casey’s current sexual promiscuity, perhaps she was involved in sex play with her brother or other men at an early age. Perhaps such play would account for her owning his loyalty for fear of exposure. Lots of things could be behind his loyalty but you can just about bet it’s something she has on him vs. just normal brother sister relationship. At some point all will come out because at some point, Casey will throw everyone under the bus to save herself or mitigate any responsibility she might have in Caylee’s death. As long as brother supports her, any secrets she has about him are safe. What if Lee helped her get the chloroform? Hmmm, then you have an acomplice. Im sure police are quietly investigating all such aspects including Lee’s closet skeletons, if any, and will pursue any possible avenue to get to the bottom of this case. The can of worms will unravel and all the evidence police have withheld from the public will out soon. Based on the evidence shown to the public to date, most DA’s would hesitate to file Murder 1 charges. I’m sure they have even more solid evidence.

  A real question now, is whether Casey will get bailed out after the homicide charges are filed and she is re-arrested after the Grand Jury meets Tue. I still think she is a great flight risk. I would prefer to see her locked up since I think that situation allows for more pressure on her in the long run. Watching TV daily just provides her with more stories and defense strategies as the media and public offer all manner of explanations for her actions and motives in this case. She is a quick study. She would never testify in the Grand Jury process because it is under oath and all her statements, true or false could be used in court. She will never testify in court either because of her track record for lying and her obvious arrogance and disdain that would likely come out that would alienate her with jurors. The tape recorded calls will help do that for the prosecution anyway though.

  BTW I doubt Casey would have the strength to pick up Caylee’s body with the shovel. Try picking up a twenty or thirty pound dead weight garbage bag with a shovel and you see the problem. It was likely just taken along to be used for hole digging if needed.

  Cindy has suffered some kind of breakdown and dissociative event at this point. She is living in another world. While I believe she deliberately started covering for Casey, soon after evidence began to mount, recent videos of her show her looking and sounding almost pathetic and delusional at this point.

  Ps. As far as the myspace URL from two years ago. I am a classic example of how that could be explained since I signed up for my own page a few years ago and never set up my profile etc so I could change everything now and it would point to set up a few years ago but really be recent data on an old unused page.

• michelle
  Oct 11, 2008 at 4:56 pm

  i agree with alot of the statements here, but the whole bottom line is. caylee is not here, i dont for once believe about the babysitter, i do believe casey parents are covering up something and now they are scarred of some charges might be filed against them so now they will appear in court against thier so called daughter, who is a very selfish person, she is not insane or sick, she needs to be punished in the hardest way as anyone who has helped her. im a mother and a grandmother and by chance one of my daughters would of done something like this, i feel i brought them in to this world and i would take them out. the hurt alone would cause me to snap, i wouldnt think to protect my daughter they would have anything and everything comig to them. dont get me wrong i love my daughters unconditionally, but when they are wrong they are wrong. i didnt raise them to think of themselves only. life is full of joy, a baby is a new generation, as well as a gift and angel from GOD. and remember everyone GOD DONT LIKE ULGY. my heart goes out to caylee, such a angel face.

• debi
  Oct 12, 2008 at 2:29 pm

  I am ticked off that so many people are saying that nurses can get chloroform. That is a bunch of crap. So is all the talk about young mothers being irresponsible. I have known mothers who were in high school and turned out to be responsible and hard working and put their kids first. I’m a nurse and was pregnant at 19-got married, lost the baby, and had 4 other children later. I am horrified at the women who leave their kids with people they don’t really know, even the boyfriends and babies’ fathers, who wind up shaking or doing worse to the kids. This case is really over the top. Casey seems incapable of going without a man in her life for any amount of time. Someone should have called the law on her long ago for stealing.

• Justin
  Oct 15, 2008 at 8:32 am

  Debi - Chloroform can be purchased on the internet. Sad but true. I’m disgusted by this young woman’s actions. Even when “crying” outside the courthouse with her lawyer, there was no terars what-so-ever. Every word out of Casey’s mouth is a lie. My question is to anyone who can answer.

  Cindy Anthony was taking Casey out to an overpass who allowed her to transfer to a gray SUV, now can the parties of the Gray SUV and Cindy Anthony be charged for trying to aide Casey in escaping her fate?

  I agree with everyone here! This poor sweet child is gone from our world. The only victim in this whole thing is this poor deceased tot.

  My prayers are with the people whom suffered the loss of this child, and all the wrong doings this pathetic 22 year old “Little Snot head”.

• Eliza
  Oct 15, 2008 at 9:46 am

  I have updated this and talked about the “escape” or almost one. I am wondering myself if they will get charged for trying to help her. I do believe they should be, knowing she would be arrested and switching vehicles.

• Dawn
  Oct 15, 2008 at 9:54 am

  TOUCHEE TO JUSTIN - I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU 100%. I’M AM SO ESCTATIC TODAY THAT SHE WAS FINALLY INDICTED. AMEN, AMEN AND AMEN AGAIN. LET ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED GET WHAT THEY DERSERVE.

• Ken
  Oct 15, 2008 at 11:00 am

  I doubt there will be any escape charges but do suspect that Casey was likely trying to find a way to get off by herself and escape. Knowing her past manipulation of me, I wouldn’t doubt that she has been flirting with the body guards hoping to get them on her side or to be able to con them into helping her get away or at least “help her get some private time or private search time” in which she could somehow escape from them. The overpass switch was planned but likely they will just say it was for her personal safety. Unless the body guard or Cindy admitted to something its not likely police could charge them. The good thing is police had her under surveillance and they made the stop before anything like an escape could develop.

  I noticed she kept rubbing her eyes and squeezing out tears at the last interview. Once she got a tear it seemed she rubbed under the eye to keep getting single tears. Anyone else would have had tears just streaming down their face in such a situation. Heck she could have rubbed garlic on her finger or under her eyes to make them tear also to get a more sympathetic look from the prospective jury pool out there in TV land.

  If you had the death sentence hanging over you, wouldn’t you immediately give up any information related to where you kidnapped daughter might be? Sure you would. This whole kidnapped story doesn’t hold water. BTW if she tries to enter a plea on the lesser charge of manslaughter, I’m sure the DA wont accept it without a body so now shes between a rock and a hard place. The pressure is really on now. She cant hide in her parents home or attorney office watching TV. She is in isolation thinking about needles in her arm and just might finally be forced to come up with Caylee’s body to avoid the chance of a murder one conviction.

  Any new defense lawyer will try to dispute the Tenn. Dead body air samples as too new a technology to be trusted in court but now the science of DNA and other such evidence is more readily accepted by courts and juries. If that evidence is tossed. Casey could walk or you might find the DA more willing to deal on lesser charge without a body. Hopefully whatever happens, the truth will come out and little Caylee just might have a proper burial. Its still possible that Casey will take that secret to her grave and risk the court trial vs having to admit the biggest lie of her life, that she killed Caylee with the overdose of Chloroform while putting her to sleep in the trunk instead of leaving her with grandparents, a friend or a babysitter while she went shopping or bar hopping. Now we sit back and watch and see what else comes out. It will be more and more interesting.

• Justin
  Oct 15, 2008 at 6:39 pm

  I have certian things I would like to point out without insulting anyone upon this website.

  I really think she’ll take that child’s death to her grave. She’s a self righteous sociopath. I stand corrected about the crying. She’s cried openly twice, and it wasn’t to do with losing her child, it was losing her personal little party time.

  I am so having a terrible time trying to type out something. I have so much to say and not certian where to start. Due to me being in Canada, most Canadians don’t believe in the death penalty, personally I believe in the Death penalty, instead of wasting tax payers money keeping a murderer fed and clothed and warm in jail.

  In closing, I believe all Casey Anthony is sociopath baby killer. and the Anthony family her enablers. I also think, Casey is so used to being the centre of attention, and when a cute little girl gets that attention, jealousy forms. I pray for the finding of little Caylee. I hope all hearts that are broken are mended with time.

• Kim
  Oct 16, 2008 at 5:56 am

  Ken,

  What do you think about the new evidence, the fluid on the plastic bag found in the the trunk of her car? Will there be enough DNA to prove it is Caylee? What in the world was the forensic dr. on Nancy Grace last night talking about blow fly’s? That lost me. Or is that just a normal fly?

• KAREN
  Oct 17, 2008 at 2:34 pm

  I HAVE BEEN SO SUCKED INTO THIS FROM THE BEGINNING …I AM PLEASED AT THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING NOW SHE IS WHERE SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG ….I WAS THINKING MAYBE HER AND HER LAWYER ARE AN ITEM NOW AND I WAS WONDERING IF THEY HAVE TESTED THE DNA OF THE BROTHER TO CAYLEE ???? INTERESTING CONCEPT ..HE ACTS LIKE HE IS KIDING SOMETHING??

• Dawn
  Oct 20, 2008 at 10:13 am

  Ken,

  I haven’t seen a comment from you on the question about the fluid on the pastic bag. Do you have any insight on this? Have you heard anything about a date for the trial? I know everyone is as anxious as I am - let me know your latest findings and views. I respect them alot.

  Thanks, Dawn

• Ken
  Oct 20, 2008 at 10:46 am

  Dawn, It seems the bag would give authorities a plethora of potential evidence. The Bag itself, may be matched to bags from the Anthony residence, fingerprints may be developed on the bag along with fiber, dirt, hair and other samples that could all be linked back to Casey and Caylee. If another person did assist Casey, perhaps their prints or DNA could be found on the bag exterior or interior also. Bodily fluids can include DNA and perhaps also give more support to information gathered from the air samples. This is important because the air sampling technology is considered new and will most assuredly be challenged by any defense team, though DNA was new at one time also. Juries are more informed now and have come to expect CSI type technology vs. rejecting it as back in the OJ trial.

  Actually jurors have come to expect too much from the CSI factor since many things shown on TV are exaggerated. I doubt authorities will release very much info about the bag residue so they have more than one ace in their hand as a strong rebuttal to any defense attempt to dismiss the air sampling evidence. It seems stupid of Casey to not have disposed of that bag but when you consider that she was eager to get on with her life and put Caylee behind her, perhaps it just slipped her mind. Mounting evidence seems the only thing that might get Casey to seek a plea bargain at some point and give up on her attempt to continue her holdout of information. A plea bargain won’t likely be accepted without her providing the location of Caylee’s remains.

  The Defense didn’t request a speedy trial because they also need time to examine the volumes of reports and evidence that has been amassed by the prosecution. This will give the prosecution more time to prepare its case properly and that bodes ill for Casey. I’m guessing that a trial wouldn’t take place for six months to a year which is about normal in many homicide cases. I think the prosecution is more ready to go thanks to their careful investigation and documentation of evidence than the defense so we can likely expect lots of delays requested by the defense team vs. all the bluster they expressed before when suggesting a speedy trial. Delays give more time to find a body and other related evidence. It will work more in favor for the prosecution than the defense team. Now we wait. Ken

• Kim
  Oct 20, 2008 at 4:16 pm

  Dawn, I am also waiting for Ken’s answer. It is nice to have his forensic expertise to help with any confusion. I also look forward to his opinion on this tragedy. I am still wondering about the “blow flies” did you know what they were referring to? I could look it up on the web, but fear a really gross photo opening… eww….I would pass out if a photo of a dead body with flies on it opened…

  Ken,

  I was watching something on Discovery and they were talking about blow flies that were used to determine how long a woman had been dead. I still would like to know what they are, on tv it looked like worms, like maggots but larger. ??

• Carol
  Oct 20, 2008 at 4:58 pm

  Ken,
  There was mention on NG, by I believe LP that there were some bodily fluids, or substances on the outside of the bag along with maggots. I am sure the forensics and entymologists are checking this out for the type of insects
  bowflies, beetles, etc. that are attracted by human decomposition.
  They “officially” are certainly not going to release this info along with the additional specifics of whatever DNA they may have. We do know that the
  hair does have the dark banding on it.

• Sues
  Oct 20, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  “BLOWFLIES” ARE THOSE NASTY LOOKING HUGE GREENISH BLACK BUGS . THEY ALSO MAKE A LOUD HUMMING NOISE . YOU WILL SEE THEM HANGING/FLYING AROUND ANYTHING DEAD OR WHERE THEIR LEFTOVERS HAVE BEEN :(

• Ken
  Oct 20, 2008 at 10:12 pm

  FYI some Blowfly info

  Forensic entomology in homicide investigations
  Certain species of flies are strongly attracted to the odor of decomposing human and animal tissue. In a typical case fly eggs are laid on a dead body and the resulting larvae, or maggots, utilize and further breakdown the dead tissue. The sequence of events from egg deposition to complete fly development is temperature dependent and highly predictable for a given geographical area.

  A forensic entomologist uses the evidence of this developmental sequence to work backward to deduce the time since death, or post-mortem interval. This is the essence of forensic entomology — using the developmental sequence of insects, usually flies, to deduce when death occurred and hence who might be responsible

  Blow flies
  In the insects that undergo complete development, the larval stages appear quite different from the adult form. The larvae of flies (order Diptera) that are commonly recovered from decomposing human remains lack functional legs, and the body of many species appears cream colour, soft-bodied, and quite “maggot-like”. For a picture of some of the maggots commonly found on human cadavers Once the larva or “maggot” is through feeding it will migrate away from the corpse in order to find a suitable site to form the pupal stage. The pupae of blow flies are often overlooked, as they closely resemble rat droppings or the egg case of cockroaches. The pupal stage is an extremely important stage to the forensic entomologist and a thorough search should be made for the presence of pupae at any death scene. If the adult insect has not emerged, the pupa will appear featureless and rounded on both ends. For a picture of an unmerged blow fly pupa If the adult insect has emerged, one end will appear as if it has been cut off, and the hollow interior will be revealed. For a picture of an adult emerging from the puparium Most adult blow flies appear a metallic green or blue and are easily recognizable.
  Ken

• Sues
  Oct 21, 2008 at 8:17 am

  Ken ,Thank you so much for your info that is given to all of us that have been following this mess since day one about that Casey . Our main concern is someone finding little Caylee and having closure for that sweet baby girl ! Casey on the other hand, that thing isn’t worth a hill of beans !!!!!!!!!! She will get her ” just reward ” !!!!!!!

• Ken
  Oct 21, 2008 at 8:48 am

  My pleasure Sues. Closure is all that’s left for the Grandparents now and all of us too. As a father of four kids, I would be glad now to just know little Caylee had a final resting place in a family plot than some swamp hole in the ground. If that were accomplished I could deal with a jury coming back with not guilty, like OJ, knowing full well Karma would take care of the rest of Casey’s life. Look how OJs life changed forever. He’s been forced to surround himself with all manner of low life criminals, drug addicts and thieves. A far cry from his former super star days and of course it led him down the road to where he is now, back in jail perhaps about to find the bottom of the pit finally as his deeds and lifestyle catch up with him.

  Casey would find her life affected the same way. Even if she is a sociopath, with no guilt or remorse, she has been outed and her reputation will follow her always as a liar, perhaps murderer etc and her circle of quality friends and family will be forever changed to those on the fringe. You and I know that will be a living hell for her since she loves glamour and attention. If she gets off, she would likely end up with a short period of fame or a book and a few talk show experiences, but her next stops would likely lead to a downward spiral to end up in some seedy motel room or alley with a needle in her arm. “Goes around, comes around” is my motto but some just call it Karma. I’ve seen criminals walk free before but they are never free of themselves and in some way, some day, they will pay and I can accept that. Let’s hope that Caylee is found and that a jury doesn’t rely on Karma to provide Casey with her final justice. Ken

• Justin
  Oct 21, 2008 at 9:02 am

  I hope whatever is served to Casey, either it be Karma or justice, or a bit of both. I’m totally at a loss, A sweet baby girl lost and not found and such delusional b!tch got all this “attention”. I sincerely hope, they throw her in prison and forget all about her. or give her death for her ignorance and crimes against her own blood. And to further note, I guess that “cat switch” was to throw off the media, I really doubt it, but thats the story they’re sticking too. I wonder if these people ever heard the story “Peter and the Wolf”. How can we believe anything they say? I really believe it was a plotted escape, and Casey, Her mother, and these other people were just caught. So boil up another lie, trying to elude the media.
  I hope truly that little girl is found, Cause to me, this is some bad dream or worse, a B-movie.
  Thank you Ken for your expertise on this! Its greatly appreciated, perhaps they need somone out there with your logic and know-how.

• Dawn
  Oct 21, 2008 at 9:03 am

  Hi Ken,

  Once again, thanks for all your expertise in this matter. It’s comforting being able to discuss these horrific circumstances with someone of your professionalism and wealth of knowledge. I’m sure you are a good insight to all of us emotionally involved in this case. Keep talking.

  Thanks, Dawn

• Justin
  Oct 21, 2008 at 9:03 am

  car switch ^ heh sorry… in a hurry.. damned typos!

• Ken
  Oct 21, 2008 at 9:24 am

  I agree that the car switch might have been part of an attempt to get casey a few mintutes to try and escape but of course the cops were following. I figured they would have 24/7 coverage of her movements and it paid off.

  As far as someone like me working on the case, they have them and then some. All CSIs with any experience are very capable, dedicated investigators who take these cases personally and always have a goal of doing everything they can to make sure the criminal doesn’t get away with a crime. In this case, there are Sheriff, Police, FBI etc all involved and a lot of careful, logical, experienced minds will likely be able to get the goods on Casey. She may have thought up the story and figured she was smart but they are much smarter and will win in the end. Ken

• debi
  Oct 22, 2008 at 1:06 pm

  I thought the car switch was supposedly because Cindy thought someone was following them and trying to run them off the road or something. Or so she claimed. The other vehicle turned out to be the bondsman. I am intrigued about the info I read last night that was new to me-about the green truck at Lee’s house that Casey is said to have used several times. And the new info on the eyewitness at the area near the airport.

• debi
  Oct 22, 2008 at 1:09 pm

  The newer forensic method of playing the tapes of the defendant’s testimony backwards is really kind of spooky! It was also revealing when applied to what Casey has been saying all along. I saw a video of that last week and it really struck me as unusual and cutting edge.

• Dawn
  Oct 22, 2008 at 2:12 pm

  Debi,

  Please explain what you mean about playing the tapes backwards. I didn’t hear anything about that and I’m curious to know what it’s all about.

  Thanks, Dawn

• Ken
  Oct 22, 2008 at 2:13 pm

  Cindy is about as big a liar as Casey at this point. It doesn’t matter thought and no charges will be brought unless the bondsman fesses up. I question his motives or involvement with Casey especially since it was a “bondsman that contributed fifty dollars to her Jail commissary account” I always expected her to flirt with any male she figures can help her. It’s just her nature.

  I hadn’t recalled any info about a green truck Casey had access to. Where did you see that? Of course she might have used that truck to avoid the smell in her trunk. If she transported a body in it, there would likely be some residual evidence. It was the car backed up to the garage suspiciously.

  I am sure the main search now will cover the area where the new witness has claimed to see Casey and the unidentified male (likely Lee) but what bothered me about his description of the events was Casey having difficulty loading the “obviously heavy bag” back into the trunk. It could be she was there but opted out of the location as a burial site. It seems the male assistant, if it was Casey and a male, would be the one carrying any heavy bag otherwise why tag along? Its all very interesting and likely we will get a bit more info soon.

  BTW I have to mention that those CSI’s are likely very personally involved and have been from the first piece of evidence they collected. I can recall every victim I ever dealt with. Their faces and crime details are imbedded in my memories and sometimes dreams. Innocent victims, especially children strike the heart cord of every CSI and officers too. All the more reason for Casey to be nervous as they do all they can to lock up this case. CSI’s are not emotionless robots and all have families of their own. They feel guilty going home to them knowing justice hasn’t yet been served until the cases are resolved. Their motivation to work twenty plus hour endless days doing the thankless detail work and investigations involved are fueled by their connection to the victim that is developed early in each case. Ken

• Carol
  Oct 22, 2008 at 2:23 pm

  The only Green Truck I am aware of is Cindy’s SUV. Casey took it the day that George followed her. He told Cindy he was going to follow Casey and Cindy tried to discourage him, according to George’s interrogation … but Cindy being Cindy denies any knowledge of this.

• debi
  Oct 22, 2008 at 8:37 pm

  I think I saw the info and listened to those “backwards” tapes on the Nancy Grace website. There were photos online showing a green truck in Lee’s driveway and info that a neighbor of his saw it there and I think also said that he saw Casey driving it.

• LuLu
  Oct 25, 2008 at 6:16 pm

  Does anyone think there was an accident? So many people interviewed on Nancy Grace, said that Casey was a good mother and would never intentionally harm Caylee. I don’t understand why she would risk Caylee’s death by using choloroform to sedate her. If she wanted to party unencumbered by a child, she couldl have left Caylee at home with her parents. No?

• Jodi
  Oct 27, 2008 at 11:03 am

  well its 10-27-08. Any more news on Casey and charges brought against her. I live in Wisconsin and have a little 4 year old, and can’t imagine life without him. I think Casey is another Scott Peterson…..Only caring about themselves. How do people become this. How were they raised?
  I love my son and tell him everyday. I pray all her pain is gone and she is safe in heaven.

  Jodi
  So. Milw, WI

• Eliza
  Oct 27, 2008 at 8:22 pm

  update

  http://www.babylune.com/casey-anthony-updates-evidence/

• debi
  Oct 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  LuLu—from what we have learned, Cindy caught Casey lying about her job the weekend of Father’s Day, and that plus the money she was busted taking from her grandparents, Cindy’s folks, started a huge argument, and Supposedly Cindy refused to babysit anymore so Caylee could run around instead of working. She had also been advised by a therapist to kick Casey out. Plus, from what has been said, both george and Cindy were still working themselves, not certain what shift(s) Cindy was, but George around that time was on PM shift.

• debi
  Oct 27, 2008 at 9:11 pm

  Michelle Desbold is the handwriting analyst.

• debi
  Oct 27, 2008 at 9:12 pm

  Correction: Dresbold.

• Jodi
  Oct 28, 2008 at 6:55 am

  Thanks Eliza….I watched alittle bit of it last night on Nancy Grace……Casey will never admit she did it. People like tell themselves over adn over they are innocent until they actually believe it. 15 years from now she will be interviewed on Dateline or some show still proclaiming she didn’t do it.
  She has no emotions about her daughter being missing thats how you know she’s guilty.

• geoff
  Oct 28, 2008 at 11:12 am

  It’s going to be much better for the State’s case, if they turn up the body. The forensic evidence in the car will be disputed by SMEs giving testimony for the Defense. Reasonable doubt, etc. Right now, there’s concern about the search process, the protocol followed, who’s moving around in the search area, protection of evidence, evidentiary custody, etc. There’s got to be careful oversight, and control. Rumor control, etc.

• jonell
  Oct 28, 2008 at 11:37 am

  SHE IS A COLD HEARTED EVIL PERSON!!! SHE KILLED HER DAUGHTER I HAVE GRANBABIES AND I WOULD DIE FOR THEM!! CASEY IS A LIAR AND THAT’S WHY SHE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER TODAY!! I ONLY WISH THAT THEY WOULD PUT HER IN A TRUNK AND DIG A HOLE AN PUT HER IN HIT TO DIE!! HOW COULD YOU KILL YOUR CHILD WHEN THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE TAKEN HER!! SHE WANT’S ALL THE BOOK DEAL’S MOVIE DEAL’S I HOPE THEY SEND HER TO PRISON AND SHE CAN BE SOMEONE’S BITCH!! AND GET BEAT EVERYDAY!!!

• sarah
  Oct 28, 2008 at 4:40 pm

  my question is how does she afford a nanny?? i mean if she dont work and the economy is in the mess it is in its hard for me to afford daycare and i work full time and have a huband with a full time job!!!!!!!!!

• debi
  Oct 28, 2008 at 10:42 pm

  Sarah, there is no nanny.remember when someone who was at Ricardo’s house asked her what she paid her nanny because the person was doing babysitting while going to college and thought she was being underpaid, Casey wouldn’t answer directly-she just said she paid her nanny enough or plenty, or something like that. There are,however, day care providers who are paid by the county or other departments so the moms can attend job training or go to school. Maybe Zani is one of Casey’s multiple personalities. LOL

• debi
  Oct 29, 2008 at 7:09 pm

  I found some info on the green truck in the Anthony’s neighbor’s statement to police. I think his name is Bryan. The guy casey borrowed the shovel from. he said he saw her and a male he didn’t know who has brown hair at the house with a green truck like a Ford Ranger ,for a short time about June 23rd. He has also stated that he saw her backing her car into the garage there on at least 2 occasions, not just once, and also this truck was backed in.He thought she was moving out.

• Dawn
  Oct 30, 2008 at 7:01 am

  O.K. I REALLY DON’T GET IT. I JUST READ ON CNN THAT SOMEONE (??????) FROM CALIFORNIA DEPOSITED ANOTHER $75.00 INTO CASEY’S ACCOUNT. WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? THIS GIRL IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER WITH NO REMORSE AND PEOPLE ARE SENDING HER MONEY SO SHE CAN BUY THINGS AT THE JAIL COMMISSARY. C’MON PEOPLE~~~!!!!!!!!

• Valerie
  Oct 30, 2008 at 1:27 pm

  Ken -
  I visit this site often in the hopes of reading your opinions regarding this case. I couldn’t help but notice in your Oct. 15th posting that you mentioned something about ,” Casey’s past manipulation of me”. Do you know her?
  I have been searching around for a list or record of her web searches, specifically inre; escort services. The only thing that I have come across is still screen from Nancy Grace displaying the shows list. Does anyone know of any released documents regarding these web searches? I suspect that crazy Casey working as an escort and that whoever she worked for was probably keeping an eye on Caylee while Casey turned tricks. If this is true, then the defense would have some shady people to bring into the picture to fill in the missing nanny slot. The type of people who may rely upon an alias like the non existant Zaneida Gonzales for example. I bring this up because I’ve been trying to keep track of the bits of info that appear, and seem pertinent to the case, or characteristic of Casey’s habitually deceptive behaviour , then, disappear. Perhaps these items ( her interest in prostitution, the green truck, Casey’s apparent scorn over Tony & Jesse texting each other to chat about Casey-I’d love to see those texts!, etc) are quietly removed from media scrutiny in deference to the prosecutions case. I am very interested in what the defense will be because I don’t think I could stand to see this boring skank get away with literally disposing of her child. My worst case scenario for this whole mess is that Casey goes free, and her & her creepy family become reality television celebs. Wierder things have happened! I realy would not be shocked to find out that Casey has management allready lol.

• Ken
  Oct 30, 2008 at 2:58 pm

  sorry Valerie, my typo. the line Casey’s past manipulation of me needed to read manipulation of men not me. Gotta run for now, will respond more later. Ken

• Eliza
  Oct 30, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  @Dawn I don’t understand it myself. I read they were basically giving her the benefit of the doubt. Not me, glad to know I’m not the only one.

  @Ken thank you for always dropping by and leaving your comments. I can tell it isn’t just me that enjoys them.

• debi
  Oct 30, 2008 at 8:36 pm

  Hi all. I had a thought about the escort stuff. It has been reported that Casey liked to watch porn on the computer. A lot of those websites claim to be escort services, phone dating, or similar in order to get around being actually porn. Or maybe just looking for tips . LOL.
  I enjoy reading Ken’s posts as well.

• Ken
  Nov 3, 2008 at 7:37 pm

  Escort services easy cash.

  Hi all, sorry I haven’t been on the PC much this last week other than to follow the election news since it seems another crime is being committed by the liberal media there.

  When I heard about Casey’s escort service searches, I surmised that she was looking for extra cash since she had no job and did have expensive tastes in clothing etc. I read Debi’s post and decided to do an escort service search myself. I searched Florida escort services and came up with pages of links to sites. I entered three and you immediately find photos of lingerie clad women whose average age is 23. I didn’t get any porn pop ups but I guess there likely would be more nudity etc if you registered at the site. Likely just basic client nudity since sites might need to be careful about state porn laws. What I did find on three sites was a RATE listing that averaged
  $800 1 hour
  $2200 3 hrs
  $ unk rates for all night that invited inquiry by the client.

  That’s some quick money, non taxable most likely and with Casey’s promiscuous nature and ability to slip into bed with a variety of men at the same time
  Would fit into her need for cash with benefits. Based on what I found, I still lean towards her looking at ways to make quick money vs. just satisfying a porn urge. I did note that the women’s photos did show a variety of expensive lingerie and dresses so that would still be an option for Casey’s viewing, looking for hot clothes to impress guys.

  We may never know if she actually participated since clients in that field would never identify themselves and the businesses involved would have to incriminate themselves to admit the type of work she did. It’s an anonymous world likely full of prospective witnesses against Casey. Just one such witness could place her working perhaps when there was no known babysitter for Caylee. On the other hand, the DA has lots already who have provided lots of statements detailing Casey’s conflicting statements about where Caylee was when they dated etc. All those statements will enter a timeline and be powerful evidence against her when all is said and done.

  I am sure there are even more witnesses that will be brought forward when it comes time for trial. The defense will be hard pressed to deal with them all and will try to discredit or downplay each of their statements. I am guessing that the total impact of all Casey’s lying and complicated stories that kept police at bay till now will come back to haunt her at trial time and perhaps swing a jury to look at the actual evidence even closer.

  Having participated in many, many trials and major cases, I do know its still always a crap shoot, no matter how good the evidence towards guilt. Watch court TV (now TRU TV) and you always see an 80 percent guilty and 20 percent innocent vote when polls of audience members are taken during the trials. That translates to about two or three potential jurors on any twelve person panel that will vote for acquittal in obvious guilt cases and despite overwhelming evidence. They just won’t get it or refuse to follow the evidence for personal reasons, hidden bias or just plain naivety. Frankly I’m surprised any jury can get a conviction with the average jury panel makeup and often, in the cases of OJ, Phil Spector etc, criminals walk free thanks to those same jurors. This case presents a similar problem for prosecutors since there isn’t a body (yet) and many would be loath to convict without it. Hopefully it all works out and justice is served.

• Ken
  Nov 3, 2008 at 7:50 pm

  Movie titles Casey rented
  I have forgotten the titles of the “horror movies” rented by Casey and her boyfriend at Blockbuster. I wanted to look up the movies and get more info about their content. Im betting the police have already done that also and if any plot themes or story lines and script lines match any of Casey’s stories we will also see that brought out in court. Info anyone?

• debi
  Nov 3, 2008 at 10:46 pm

  Here is the link: http://www.wftv.com/news/17841326/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news#-
  The movies are: “Jumper”, about a mom abandoning her 5 year old who then can teleport himself, and “Untraceable”, about a kidnapper/killer.

• debi
  Nov 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm

  Ken- I just read that one of the movies that was rented has scenes of a rotting body in a car trunk. Eerie.

• Valerie
  Nov 5, 2008 at 11:42 am

  Doesn’t the prosecution have to provide the defense with a list of all of their witnesses? I’ve seen many different timelines and character lists for this case. I;m sure that the defense has , too. Sometimes I worry that all of the curiousity that us bloggers have for this case may work towards helping Casey build her alibi. With so many peoplke analyzing her every move , and trrying to fill in the blank times, wondering what she was doing, and when perhaps we are inadvertantly assisting Casey? That’s a scary thought.
  I’m with you , Ken , about the fast cash in escorting, and that it’s very doubtful that people involved in that world are secretive, making it difficult to find out if she actually was involved in that sort of thing , or not. I only bring it up because I think that the possibility of Casey being involved in the shadier end of the sex industry woulkd really clear up why Casey is so inconsistent & secretive. I found a blog written by an escort and this girl actually wrote a post ( before the web searches reg. casey/ escort services came out) stating that she thinks that Casey’s behaviour is exactly how a girl who “dates” for a living behaves. o well, I guess we’ll know well enough when the trial begins. Let’s just hope that justice prevails. The sad fact is that there is more money, fame, etc. to be had for all involved - that includes the various forms of media exploiers, as well - if Casey goes free…and ,sadly, justice & money just don’t travel in the same circles, know what I mean? Sorry to be so cynical, it’s just that in this particular case, all of the elements of a big time hollywood payoff are there.

• Ken
  Nov 5, 2008 at 12:16 pm

  I do agree Valerie that all manner of defense strategies have been made available to Casey via the media like Nancy Grace and our blogs but that was done early as Nancy and guests proposed scenarios like accidental death, drowning etc. all im sure gave Casey an alternate fail safe plan if all else fails to admit to accidental death and cover up vs murder by overdose of Chloroform. That would likely work since prosecution would be hard pressed to disprove it without a body or forensics that go with a body. While they can prove Caylee is deceased and that chloroform was in the trunk, reasonable doubt would be present if Casey admitted to accidental drowning and cover up.

  If enough information comes out as to just how long chloroform can be detected in remains and it is well past that time and close to conviction. I’m guessing she will finally try to cop a plea. One thing standing in the way of that would be just how she disposed of Caylee and how her lifelong image would forever be changed vs always a little doubt as to her story about kidnapping or whatever. Anyway the ball is still in her court no matter how much information is out there. If it led to recovery of Caylee’s body, I wouldn’t be apposed to plea deal vs. risking her getting off completely by some jurors who view evidence differently or ignore it and just feel sorry for her to the point of hanging up a jury.

  If Casey is found guilty of anything less than murder, she will likely be out of prison within ten years and only be thirty five. One thing that could get her a longer sentence, even on manslaughter or negligence would be the prior felony convictions on forged checks and another reason the DA is pursuing that aggressively. Priors will keep her from getting straight probation and add to her sentence. She will still be young enough to con more men and make some money with her story though I hope a civil suit will also be filed preventing that. Sadly the suit would have to be filed by her parents or brother and that isn’t likely. After all. She could get out and give them another baby as a way of making peace with them. This is a dysfunctional family and likely would accept that as long as she gave them complete control or adoption. This would be a good case for court ordered sterilization if there ever was any.

  The escort jobs, if ever proven, would force her to account for even more times when Caylee was left alone for an hour or overnight. Based on her lack of funds and thefts, she probably never did follow through with escort jobs more than once or so. It was easier to screw several “boyfriends” at once or in sequence and get them to provide a roof over her head, grocery money and gas. Same thing, different payment plan with more benefits.

  As far as witness lists, yes DA has to provide potential court witness lists to defense. But defense had to figure out how their statements will be used and that strategy isn’t known till trial time. The DA doesn’t have to provide a plan of attack to the defense and how the evidence will be presented or in what order so the defense had to work even harder to guess about every turn and can end up going in circles if the DA does a good job. Based on what Ive seen, if the defense cant get the car evidence tossed, they will be hard pressed to defend Casey and likely push her to plea bargain and give up Caylee’s location. The DA wont accept a plea without that I am sure.

• debi
  Nov 5, 2008 at 11:50 pm

  Ken- do you think that is why her lwayer wants to delay the check fraud case until after the murder one, because that way she wouldn’t have a prior conviction? Also- I finally found the video with the “backwards” audio-here is the link:
  http://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=TkvsZ5cSZCo&feature=related

• Kim
  Nov 6, 2008 at 12:28 am

  Ken,

  If Caylee’s bio father and family were identified would they be able to file civil suit against Casey and her family preventing them from profiting from Caylee’s death? Even if the father is dead?

  And… if Caylee is located and just bones remain would there be enough DNA to identify her father or paternal family? (of course if they also had a list of possible canidates).

  Lenord P. stated tonight on Nancy Grace that they are going to “drain every pond and gut every gator” to find Caylee. If she was in water and or consumed by an alligator what would that do to DNA structure, would it remain in order to identify her?

  Thank you…

• Ken
  Nov 6, 2008 at 8:44 am